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The Boo Mess
Topic Started: Jun 8 2012, 09:48 PM (1,348 Views)
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Jun 8 2012, 10:47 PM
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Jun 8 2012, 10:41 PM
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Jun 8 2012, 10:36 PM
How can you tell that Grey Boo was taking it seriously?

Seriously, it comes down to one thing.

Grey Boo didn't dodge Good Boo's candy absorption ray like Kid Boo did. That's literally it.

Grey Boo didn't end anything, he just decided to use a different attack.

Pure Boo dodged Base Vegeta's punches. Are you going to argue that Base Vegeta posed enough of a threat that Boo thought he had to dodge?
No, but we've never seen Grey Boo fight anyone else but Good Boo, so we can't judge it like that.
The point is the fights can't really be compared. We know Pure Boo was toying around. In hand to hand, Good Stuff didn't land a single hit on Pure Buddy. He hit him with the initial headbutt and a Ki blast, which even Vegeta managed to do. Boo was using his freakin' feet to fight. He was never in any danger.

But if you think a portion of Fat Boo's power can go toe-to-toe with SSjin 3 Goku, fine by me. I'll leave the debate, then, as I know exactly where it's headed.
Well I do have a legit argument (as derived from the manga) as to why Grey Boo > Kid Boo. You want to hear it?

As for Kid Boo vs. SSJ3 Goku, that was an uphill battle.

Kid Boo only managed to hit Goku twice, and he would've been done without his hax regeneration skills.
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Jun 8 2012, 11:44 PM
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How can you tell that Grey Boo was taking it seriously?

Seriously, it comes down to one thing.

Grey Boo didn't dodge Good Boo's candy absorption ray like Kid Boo did. That's literally it.

Grey Boo didn't end anything, he just decided to use a different attack.

Pure Boo dodged Base Vegeta's punches. Are you going to argue that Base Vegeta posed enough of a threat that Boo thought he had to dodge?
No, but we've never seen Grey Boo fight anyone else but Good Boo, so we can't judge it like that.
The point is the fights can't really be compared. We know Pure Boo was toying around. In hand to hand, Good Stuff didn't land a single hit on Pure Buddy. He hit him with the initial headbutt and a Ki blast, which even Vegeta managed to do. Boo was using his freakin' feet to fight. He was never in any danger.

But if you think a portion of Fat Boo's power can go toe-to-toe with SSjin 3 Goku, fine by me. I'll leave the debate, then, as I know exactly where it's headed.
Well I do have a legit argument (as derived from the manga) as to why Grey Boo > Kid Boo. You want to hear it?

As for Kid Boo vs. SSJ3 Goku, that was an uphill battle.

Kid Boo only managed to hit Goku twice, and he would've been done without his hax regeneration skills.
Go for it.

I do have more evidence against you, though.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P12.6
Vegeta: “The truth is you were right [that I’d be killed by Boo]. That Boo is stronger than I imagined…And so are you, Kakarot…”

Chapter: 511 (DBZ 317), P8.2
Context: as pure Boo beats up on Vegeta
Vegeta: “Wh-what fast and heavy attacks…! …Kakarot was…fighting with a gu-guy like this…?!”

Vegeta fought both Boos and knew both of their powers. Pure Boo > Fat Boo according to him.

Inside Evil Boo, Vegeta wondered if pulling out the final pod would revert him to Fat Boo or Grey Boo, which means he knew both of them existed through whatever means (as he also knew of SSjin 3, but that's more plausible since it was felt across dimensions). He still later said that Pure Boo was beyond his imagination. There's also the fact that neither Fat Boo at his peak or Grey Boo were sensed on the Kai planet. It was only after Evil Boo had formed where Goku took notice of his Ki, so we know he's at least weaker than SSjin 3 Goku. The narrator's statement that Grey Boo was most of Fat Boo's power makes even more sense when taken into consideration with that fact.
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Alright, try to follow me here, I'm a bit wobbly on this one. Debunk if needed.

Initial Fat Majin Boo: Mister Boo + Pure Evil Boo

Super Boo: Pure Evil Boo + Mister Boo

Now, when Good Boo is ripped out of Super Boo, he should turn back into Grey Boo, right? However, he becomes Buff Boo, who has the South Kaioshin absorbed.

Kid/Grey Boo + South Kaioshin = Stronger Than Super Boo

After South Kaioshin's presence is neutralized, Kid Boo becomes significantly weaker. Going from stronger than Super Boo to weaker than SSJ3 Goku.

My theory is that Grey Boo is > Kid Boo because he has the South Kaioshin somewhere in him.

Now, to answer/debunk your theory as to Vegeta thinking that Kid Boo > Fat Boo. IIRC, Vegeta remarked after seeing Kid Boo that ''we can easily take him now.'' Keep in mind that Vegeta fought Fat Boo, and knows he stood no chance.

So, that means that ''power higher than I imagined'' is valid, but not because he thinks Fat Boo > Kid Boo.
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In response to the OP

~ When Majin Boo absorbs someone, he exaggerates any of their predominant features and sometimes even gains their attire
  • Pure Boo absorbs South Kaioshin. South Kaioshin, being buff, muscular, and the strongest Kaioshin, makes Pure Boo buff, muscular, and stronger.
  • South Kaioshin Boo absorbs Daikaioh. Daikaioh, being fat, jolly, innocent, and pure of heart makes South Kaioshin Boo fat, jolly, and somewhat innocent; he does not become completely good due to the evil of Pure Boo still being within him
  • Evil Boo absorbs Gotenks. He gains Gotenks's fusion jacket, and becomes very cocky.
  • Gotenks-Boo absorbs Super Gohan. He gains his outfit, and becomes even more cocky.

~ Hypothetically, Daikaioh Boo would be as strong as Evil Boo; he was Pure Boo along with the absorption of Daikaioh and South Kaioshin, as was Evil Boo. However, Daikaioh's pure innocence and jolliness conflicted with Pure Boo's naturally evil destructive personality. Daikaioh also made Boo fat, making him not as good a fighter. This imbalance prevented Daikaioh Boo from reaching his full power. When Daikaioh Boo became angry, he expelled the evil within him. The magnitude of the evil and good became reversed inside of Boo when Pure Evil Boo absorbed Pure Good Boo; instead of the evil being hidden underneath the good, like in Daikaioh Boo, the good became hidden under the evil when Daikaioh Boo rearranged into Evil Boo. In Daikaioh Boo, the good was dominant, but in Evil Boo, the evil was dominant.

On the subject of Pure Evil Boo's power:

Pure Good Boo must have had Daikaioh inside of him. He was pure and good and fat.

Since we only have two other characters, S. Kaioshin and Pure Boo, this means that we either have:

~ Pure Good Boo is Daikaioh and South Kaioshin in Boo form [after being permanently infused with Boo's intestines]
~ Pure Good Boo is Daikaioh in Boo form, Pure Evil Boo is Pure Boo and South Kaioshin, the difference in him and S. Kaioshin Boo being that S. Kaioshin Boo was Boo immediately after S. Kaioshin was absorbed, but Pure Evil Boo was after S. Kaioshin was permanently fused into Boo. In S. Kaioshin Boo, S. Kaioshin was intact, but he wasn't in Pure Evil Boo, he became permanently fused with Boo's essence.

The more logical conclusion would be that Pure Evil Boo is some mutated Pure Boo. There's three characters to account for, and this should be a good enough explanation.

If you really want to say Pure Evil Boo < Daikaioh Boo, then you could say that the Mutated Pure Boo could not use his full power due to the mutation.

I've done a lot of thinking on the subject previously

EDIT: Damn, that Evil Boo turning into South Kaioshin Boo after Good Boo was removed really threw a kink in my theory. I guess that Pure Good Boo doesn't have South Kaioshin in him, so Pure Evil Boo must. It could go either way then.

Pure Boo < South Kaioshin Boo ~ Pure Evil Boo
or
Pure Evil Boo < Pure Boo < South Kaioshin Boo

If you think that Pure Evil Boo couldn't use his full power due to the mutation.
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Jun 9 2012, 12:29 AM.
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Grey Boo had to have had South Kaioshin inside of him.

If Fat Boo did, then he would've put a whooping on Pure Evil Boo, not the other way around.

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Jun 9 2012, 12:35 AM
Grey Boo had to have had South Kaioshin inside of him.

If Fat Boo did, then he would've put a whooping on Pure Evil Boo, not the other way around.

Nevermind Grid, your logic is not working.

Preposition: After Good Boo is ripped out from Super Boo, Super Boo becomes Buff Boo. Therefore, Good Boo does not contain South Kaioshin and Gray Boo does.

Counterargument: Pure Good Boo was expelled from Evil Boo's body after South Kaioshin Boo turned into Pure Boo. Since Pure Boo does not have South Kaioshin in him [obviously], Pure Good Boo must, since he actually comes out of Pure Boo's body.

And if you believe that South Kaioshin + Daikaioh > Pure Boo, that's ridiculous.
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Grey Boo has same characteristics like Fat boo ( going by clothes ).

I guess he still has Dai-Kaioshin's influence.

That means he's not going to be completely unrestrained like Kid Boo was.


That should clear something in strenght.
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Jun 9 2012, 12:44 AM
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Grey Boo had to have had South Kaioshin inside of him.

If Fat Boo did, then he would've put a whooping on Pure Evil Boo, not the other way around.

Nevermind Grid, your logic is not working.

Preposition: After Good Boo is ripped out from Super Boo, Super Boo becomes Buff Boo. Therefore, Good Boo does not contain South Kaioshin and Gray Boo does.

Counterargument: Pure Good Boo was expelled from Evil Boo's body after South Kaioshin Boo turned into Pure Boo. Since Pure Boo does not have South Kaioshin in him [obviously], Pure Good Boo must, since he actually comes out of Pure Boo's body.

And if you believe that South Kaioshin + Daikaioh > Pure Boo, that's ridiculous.
Good counterargument, but I raise one too.

What happened to Super Boo?

Super Boo is Grey Boo with Fat Boo absorbed.

Would it be illogical to think that South Kaioshin's presence died when Super Boo died?

Also, Pure Good Boo was still inside Pure (Kid) Boo's body for a while after South Kaioshin's presence was negated.
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Grey Boo had to have had South Kaioshin inside of him.

If Fat Boo did, then he would've put a whooping on Pure Evil Boo, not the other way around.

Nevermind Grid, your logic is not working.

Preposition: After Good Boo is ripped out from Super Boo, Super Boo becomes Buff Boo. Therefore, Good Boo does not contain South Kaioshin and Gray Boo does.

Counterargument: Pure Good Boo was expelled from Evil Boo's body after South Kaioshin Boo turned into Pure Boo. Since Pure Boo does not have South Kaioshin in him [obviously], Pure Good Boo must, since he actually comes out of Pure Boo's body.

And if you believe that South Kaioshin + Daikaioh > Pure Boo, that's ridiculous.
Good counterargument, but I raise one too.

What happened to Super Boo?

Super Boo is Grey Boo with Fat Boo absorbed.

Would it be illogical to think that South Kaioshin's presence died when Super Boo died?

Also, Pure Good Boo was still inside Pure (Kid) Boo's body for a while after South Kaioshin's presence was negated.
What I think is that in Evil Boo, Pure Boo is the base body, or the body it is modeled on, and then the power of Daikaioh and South Kaioshin is added along as an absorption.

After Pure Good Boo is removed from Evil Boo's body, Daikaioh is immediately removed, and South Kaioshin temporarily is a part of Evil Boo before going back into Pure Good Boo and then Evil Boo going to Pure Boo.
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So there's two possible outcomes for the South Kaioshin powerup.

Either it went into Pure Good Boo, or died along with Grey Boo (Half of Super Boo that died when Kid Boo was born)?

Does that sound right?
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Jun 8 2012, 09:48 PM
Anyone mind explaining this to me?

What happened to Grey Boo when Super Boo was made? Is Grey Boo just Super Boo with Mister/Good Boo absorbed?

Also, why does Buff Boo disappear?

And finally, who do you have stronger? Kid Boo or Grey Boo? I personally have Grey Boo.

Thanks in advanced to anyone who can explain this.
Grey Buu is Kid Buu who fell in a chimney and got dirty
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A part of Boo can't be greater than Boo as a whole. Thats a given by the manga and the anime.
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Kid Boo is an entirely different entity.

Of course though, Initial Fat Boo > Grey Boo.

I also think Fat Boo > Kid Boo because of a statement made by Vegeta.
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Fat Boo= Kid Boo + South Kai + The Great Kaioshin.
Kid Boo is pure.

Grey Boo is a part of Fat boo who is made up of Kid Boo, South Kai(?) and The Great kaioshin.
Good Buu is a part of Fat Boo also made up of Kid Boo, South Kai(?) and the Great Kaioshin.

With Grey Boo receiving the bigger portion of Fat Boo's power, he is still not 100% of Fat buu's power.

Kid Boo is stronger than Fat Buu, therefore Kid Boo is stronger than Grey Boo.
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http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8362368/1/#new

that's imo. Boo of Wrath no longer existed when he becomes Super Boo.
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